CATHERINE RAMPELL: Look, the first time that Elon Musk decides to declare that globalist Jews are responsible for the Great Replacement of brown people into the United States, maybe it was a misunderstanding. You know, the second time he said that "Jews are pushing hatred against white people," that's a quote, you know, that was a little iffy. By the second Sieg Heil, I think he kind of loses the benefit of the doubt to be not accused of playing footsie with these Nazis. I'm not saying he's a Nazi, I'm saying the Nazis think he's a Nazi, which they very clearly did at this event. And this was not -- these words were not said in a vacuum. As you pointed out, the leaders of AfD have embraced in many cases the Nazi heritage. They have wanted to take down the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, saying it is inappropriate to recognize this horrific chapter in German history. And I just think it's horrific. I don't understand why this guy keeps getting the benefit of the doubt, whether or not he believes this stuff personally.
PHILLIP: You didn't even mention the Nazi jokes…
RAMPELL: Oh, absolutely.
PHILLIP: …he was making on Twitter…
RAMPELL: Yeah. He's been given so many chances.
PHILLIP: That actually got the ADL to say something about it.
RAMPELL: Yeah.
PHILLIP: I was hearing a lot of sighing, Scott. What's the deal?
SCOTT JENNINGS: Yeah, I mean, we've moved on from Trump Derangement Syndrome to Elon Derangement Syndrome.
RAMPELL: No, I'm sorry, do you want to defend them saying -- the Germans get to defend --
JENNINGS: There's ample --
RAMPELL: -- the Germans get to defend --
PHILLIP: Let me let him finish, Catherine.
JENNINGS: I love this game we play where you talk for two minutes, I talk for three seconds --
PHILLIP: Go ahead, Scott.
JENNINGS: -- and you freak out. So -- so, he has a long record of supporting the Jewish people, number one. Number two, anybody who is asserting this thing he did on the stage the other day was a Sieg Heil, which I just heard you say, you know, lawyer up maybe, because absolute ridiculous thing to say. Under no circumstances --
RAMPELL: The Nazis in Germany thought it was a Sieg Heil. The Nazis in Germany thought it was a Sieg-Heil.
JENNINGS: Under no circumstances was he doing anything other than expressing enthusiastically --
RAMPELL: Why don't you do it on TV right now?
JENNINGS: -- his appreciation to the crowd.
RAMPELL: Why don't you do it on TV right now if you think it's so --
PHILLIP: Look, hold on.
RAMPELL: -- so, you know --
JENNINGS: Number three. I think it is fully appropriate and I of course have been the strongest supporter of the Jewish people on this network for over a year since October the 7th --
RAMPELL: Is that true?
JENNINGS: -- to remember -- to remember the Holocaust and to remember the atrocities committed against the Jewish people. And I also think it's appropriate to remember the atrocities committed against them right now and it seems to me, let me just finish my point, it seems to me --
PHILLIP: No, I won't let you change the subject.
JENNINGS: It seems to me.
PHILLIP: Let's address what we're talking about.
JENNINGS: I'm trying to finish my point.
RAMPELL: As the Jew at this table --
JENNINGS: I'm trying to finish my point.
RAMPELL: --I would say --
JENNINGS: The people who are most concerned about and are most all over Elon Musk today have had nary a word for the Nazis on college campuses who've gone crazy for the last year and a half.
PHILLIP: That is not real. That is not true.
CAMPELL: That is bull. That is bull. I am a Jew who has criticized the people on college campuses for saying anti-Semitic things. I will go on the record as saying that I am also criticizing this man who a day or two before Holocaust Remembrance Day makes light of this moment, this horrific moment in German history, the reason why Germans remember this moment.
JENNINGS: He's not. I don't believe he's making light of it. I disagree with that.
RAMPELL: He is, absolutely.
PHILLIP: This is why I want you to address what we are talking about here because I -- you can talk all day about college campuses. But Elon Musk, two days before Holocaust Remembrance Day, went and spoke in front of a far-right party that, as part of their platform, wants to atone- they want to erase the idea that Germany is responsible for this terrible thing --
RAMPELL: A lot of them deny the Holocaust even happened.
PHILLIP: -- in history. They want to deny the Holocaust. He decided, the thing I'm going to do today is speak before a bunch of far-right people who in their own country have been sent to court for using banned Nazi symbols, really?
JENNINGS: Look, look, I think, I think, it is possible to do two things. One, support the Jewish people in the memory of the victims of the Holocaust. And number two, say something that is actually, factually correct. Nobody being born today is responsible for whatever in the Holocaust.
RAMPELL: Do you know why we remember the Holocaust?
JENNINGS: Just like nobody being born today is responsible for slavery.
RAMPELL: Do you know why we remember the Holocaust? Do you know why it's important to teach --
ASHLEY ALLISON: So it never happens again.
RAMPELL: It's so that we can understand --
JENNINGS: Agree. And I totally support that.
RAMPELL: It's so that we can understand normal seeming people -- it's so we can understand how normal seeming people can be complicit in horrific acts.
ALLISON: I think -- yeah.
RAMPELL: That is the purpose of understanding and remembering the Holocaust.
JENNINGS: And what horrific act is Elon Musk endorsing today, in your opinion?
RAMPELL: I don't know, detention camps?
JENNINGS: Come on. Come on.
PHILLIP: Well, look.
RAMPELL: What do you mean, come on?
ALLISON: I mean --
JENNINGS: I mean, you are way off the rails.
PHILLIP: I think it's kind of --
RAMPELL: I'm off the rails. You're the one who defended Sieg Heiling as a normal activity.
PHILLIP: Scott, just a second. Scott.
JENNINGS: This is -- this salute trutherism is out -- this is the most --
RAMPELL: So do it right now on TV.
JENNINGS: This is the biggest conspiracy theory going on in media. It’s crazy.
